K/R All Saints trousers (somewhat urgent feedback needed)

Hi ladies! My husband bought himself these fabulous All Saints trousers which ended up laughably small for him, so this morning he suggested I try them before sending them back... And I kind of really love them, am I crazy on this? They are slouchy without a belt/worn low on my hips (#1), and just a little baggy when pulled up higher and belted (#2).

The back view looks great to me but there is excess fabric in front since these are, after all, men's trousers, especially when worn low on my hips. I tried to emulate how it looks while in stride which is when it's most obvious (#3), though I was surprised to see that the excess looked much more severe in person than on camera (I'm half squatting in the far right photo of #3 to really exaggerate it, as that's how it felt in person heh). I can't decide if or how much this bothers me. Is it something that is alterable? Or do I even need to worry about it? If I do keep them, at the least they will need a dart in the waistband at the back (story of my pants life), and I would also likely taper the hems a bit more so that I'm not limited to only wearing pumps; and then there is the possible alteration to remove some of the excess fabric in front if that's an issue, and not sure how expensive that type of alteration is.

I do need to decide by tomorrow morning what to do with these, and will be showing hubby tonight for his opinion. What say you ladies, keep or return? Thanks!

EDIT: mostly-styled photos here : http://youlookfab.com/welookfa.....ost-774720

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  • Raisin replied 7 years ago

    I quite like them! If you're not too picky, I think with just the dart in the waist they would look really great. I'm not sure how you would alter the crotch area if it bothered you though. I find they look great though, I love the fit, the color, the sheen.

  • catgirl replied 7 years ago

    If you don't keep these I'll have to come down and shake you! They are just what I've been looking for myself - I never even thought of men's sizing, though AS runs so small. LOVE THEM!

  • JR replied 7 years ago

    Those are really nice pants. But the excess material in the front is definitely bothering me. I have no idea if that can easily be fixed with alterations, but I rather doubt it somehow.

  • replied 7 years ago

    Love them and the crotch issue is not one to my eyes - I love the slouchy fit. Keep!

  • cciele replied 7 years ago

    Those look really, really good on you. The excess fabric on the front doesn't bother me -- they just look like slouchy trousers!

  • Mochi replied 7 years ago

    I'm surprised you're getting all these yays. The excess fabric in the front bothers me a lot. To me it's different from a dropped crotch and definitely looks like a guy is supposed to be wearing it. But I've been an outlier many many times here :)

  • pil replied 7 years ago

    Unless you can just make a point of always walking *away* from people : ) - the fit in back is fabulous.

    Your comment about fit brings up a point I never pondered back when the trend was for boys, my son included, to wear girl jeans in high school to get the slim fit. It doesn't seem like it would have been very comfortable for them.

  • Jenava replied 7 years ago

    I think that pooch in the front has more to do with the rise than anything else. These are a bit higher in the rise than you normally take, no?

    I think they are fab and you must keep them. Wear them with a BB white buttondown and your studded belt!

  • annagybe replied 7 years ago

    I think return. It's only baggy in one particular spot and not crazily exaggerated like my harem jeans. Just enough off to be off.

  • Mo replied 7 years ago

    I want the extra fabric in front magically transferred to the back myself. Seems tight across the rear (not pulling, but in a more pancake rear kind of way) and too much up front. As you say, they are for men, so I understand why!

  • Transcona Shannon replied 7 years ago

    I think these are STUNNING on you Aida - the fit reminds me of Angie's slouchy trousers in this month's calendar outfit. PLEASE keep!!!

  • Suz replied 7 years ago

    Thing is, you look amazing in trousers, period! So it is tough to judge. But I suspect you can find what you are looking for without all these alterations problems elsewhere. So I would vote hold out. And keep looking.

  • ElleH replied 7 years ago

    I love them on you but it depends on how you feel & if you could find something better. Are they a great deal?

  • Zapotee replied 7 years ago

    I'm sorry Aida, these are so friggin' amazing, but, but, that crotch is a deal breaker. I can imagine how they look IRL, because I just dressed up as a male pimp for Halloween - don't ask- and my fiancee's pants looked just like this. The effect is really pronounced as you walk. I actually think the picture does not capture the effect well. I vote return, unless you get them tailored.

  • Mo replied 7 years ago

    I hope I didn't come across badly! I know you have no pancake butt ;) We have very similar figures, I think, besides your slightly broader shoulders. Certainly from the waist down. Have you tried the Express Columnists? For fun, a pictorial side by side of Columnists and the Allsaints.

  • Atlantia replied 7 years ago

    Men's pants are great for slouchy trousers....but this season there are so many slouchy trousers there is no need to settle. These are a good starting point, and proof positive that you need to go get yourself some slouchy trousers. But not these. Return please, and find something that doesn't have a qualifier. (These are great, but...)

  • goldenpig replied 7 years ago

    I don't like dropped and baggy crotches so feel free to ignore...but I would get something that's actually cut for a woman's shape. I don't think this one is as flattering as it should be. The back looks great but the front looks funny to me.

  • shevia replied 7 years ago

    The back and side views are perfection, and you look really terribly gorgeous in that black tank, and I actually like how the pictures look from the front...but I suppose that there are even better options out there right now where the front is cut that slight bit better for you. I don't know, I really like them but I suspect Zapotee has a point.

  • Sylvie replied 7 years ago

    They look so good on you...except that crotch fit. Someone up thread said a dropped crotch didn't work as well if the rest of the pants were fitted and that's what I see as well. I would vote pass (sorry).

  • Aida replied 7 years ago

    Thanks for all the great feedback ladies, great insights! Votes are almost exactly evenly split so far. Does anyone know if the extra front fabric CAN actually be taken in by a tailor? Maybe just along the crotch curve? If so I'd be far more inclined to keep them. As is I'm still a bit undecided either way, hoping to hear from Angie on this and also get hubby's opinion. The fabric and crafting is quite superb, which is another big selling point for me.

    Shannon mentioned Angie's similar slouchy trousers, and although these certainly have some ease and slouch, they are more fitted than Angie's trousers (seen here, here, and here). I am rather fond of the "slouchy structured" thing, but am now wondering if these have too much structure for their slouch. If I could walk around with my hands in my pockets a la photo #4, I'd be set ;)

    Jenava, yep you are right that these are a higher rise than I usually wear (I'm a low-rise gal). I don't mind a higher rise in trousers though :)

    Mo, that visual is great! I hadn't tried those, but I'll definitely add them to the list to try if I end up returning these.

    Atlantia, I do have another pair of VERY slouchy trousers but in a summer weight. The all-season/winter weight of these is very appealing.

    Shevia, would it be weird/offensive to say that I thought of you the minute I put these on? They just seem like something you'd wear so well :)

  • Janet replied 7 years ago

    Oh, they are so close... But there is just that very specific bit of extra crotch roominess that, pardon my indelicacy, really only makes me think "man parts." Otherwise, I really like them.

  • Deborah replied 7 years ago

    Aida, I love the look of the leg line and from the back they are perfect. I have just looked over Angie's photos of her slouchy trousers and then looked at yours again.
    Angie's seem to have a slouchy oversized-ness not just in the crotch area but also in the thigh area which I feel creates a consistency to the look... it says to me these pants are intentionaly slouchy and slightly oversized. Yours appear to have the extra fabric only in the crotch area but no wear else, so for me they are not quite fitting the 'slouchy' pants criteria.

  • Diana replied 7 years ago

    Hmm, I quite like these but I am a little worried about the crotch fit since you say it's more pronounced IRL. I can definitely see it in the unbelted shots and I would be worried about it pooching out in weird ways - seems like the excess fabric might stick out in front rather than slouching downwards because it seems like it's the fly that has too much length if that makes sense. I think in slouchy women's pants and harem pants the drop crotch part is BELOW the fly so there's no zipper to pooch out. What happens when you sit down?

  • Jenava replied 7 years ago

    I think it's the front rise that's just a wee bit too long. I think that's a pretty major alteration...have to replace the zipper, etc.

  • Aida replied 7 years ago

    Hmmm the rise actually isn't all that long, most of that is me. I have a fairly long rise already :) I'll check when I get home how much extra rise there is, I am recalling it being not too much especially when belted.

    Diana, I'll check about what the fabric does when I sit. I didn't try it! The fabric does drape downwards and not out, at least.

  • Joy replied 7 years ago

    From the last photo it looks like you solved the problem. Just keep your hands in your pockets. Other than that I've not figured out slouchy trousers yet.

  • Jenava replied 7 years ago

    Try measuring a pair of trousers that fits well, crotch seam to waist, front vs. back and see if it's different on these? Maybe the back rise is the same as usual, but the front is longer?

    I know I've had this issue on pants in the past as well, and I also have a pretty long rise. But it just seems like the extra fabric is there because there's too much length between the crotch and where it hangs on your waist?

  • Carole replied 7 years ago

    Without reading everyone else's responses, I LOVE THESE ON YOU! Wow, they are so flattering and seem so on trend,please keep and wear often.

  • Carole replied 7 years ago

    Ok after reading, maybe it's the last picture with your hands in the pockets that sold me....FWIW

  • replied 7 years ago

    I LOVE THESE PANTS ON YOU! I've been looking in the men's section of thrift stores for "young mens" pants cut just like this. I love the slouch. It's obvious to me that they are not ill-fitting women's pants, but that you stole them from your BF--err husband. My teen boys' jeans fit me a little better in the front than the back, but they are so wonderfully slouchy, while still being super-skinny, and I just love them.

  • catgirl replied 7 years ago

    Okay.having searched for slouchy pants forever (I mean FOREVER, long since before they were in style) I believe harem pants are not the only option for this type of fit. Yet it is extremely hard to find the right fit like Angie's pants and the silk pants we found for Rae. Unless these are a "stiff" (er. pun slightly intended) crotch fit, how are they different from Rae's silk checked pants?

    This is definitely an acquired look and I have of course an irrational love for it, so consider that. :)

  • sarah replied 7 years ago

    no time to read other comments - just wanted to say, "LOVE".

  • rae replied 7 years ago

    You *know* I am sensitive to the plum-smuggling look that can emerge when there is a too-long rise, but I love these! Especially belted. It looks like a Look - like you are actually slipping into men's pants & looking hot in them... not like you need to buy your Obviously-Made-For-Women pants with extra room for man parts. To me, the drape and the slim leg set them apart from lesser pants.

  • kkards replied 7 years ago

    love the way the fit in the back, the front is a little off putting --but not a deal breaker.

    maybe you could wear with a reverse half tuck (ie leave the front long and untucked and the back tucked to show the great fit)

  • shevia replied 7 years ago

    Aida far from weird/offensive I am immensely flattered. So much so I am going to send you a weird/offensive virtual hug.

  • Preppy Pear replied 7 years ago

    Love these on you, no problems with "plum-smuggling"! I'm tempted to look for a pair for myself!

  • texstyle replied 7 years ago

    I tried to ignore the other comments because my first reaction was that these look really great on you. That said, it is hard to tell fit and feeling from photos. How they feel is so important. I will be curious what Angie thinks of these.

  • Sonia replied 7 years ago

    You are not crazy! What's sexier than a lady wearing her man's trousers! I'm sure you're husband can answer that.. hope he doesnt feel too downgraded by your style, because I tell you this, those trousers look so smart, femenine and powerful. Enjoy them! you look fab. :)

  • Transcona Shannon replied 7 years ago

    Popping back in - I also looked again at Angie's men's inspired trousers and you are right, hers are more slouchy all over and not fitted. That having been said, I still LOVE these on you and still want you to keep them.

  • Sona replied 7 years ago

    I am totally smitten with these on you! LOVE, LOVE, LOVE.

    I know Angie is very busy and under the weather but I would ask her opinion and let it be the deciding word. She knows fit and style beter than anyone else!

  • Suz replied 7 years ago

    Aida, how goes the decision making?

    I was struck the first time by how gorgeous you look in these....but your report about the extra fabric up front got me worried that they might not be ideal.

    And it is true, they are not as slouchy as Angie's super slouchy trousers.

    But you know....there are lots of different ways to slouch, right? Or so it seems to me.

    And looking at them again, how different are they from these ones that I might (or might not) keep? These pics are not the best quality and I hope to take better ones soon, but I think you get the idea. Like you, I am tempted towards these by gorgeous fabric and drape and workmanship; the brand is Noir, a Danish eco-label. Some list-mates did not see these as a slouchy pant. They really ARE, though, and Angie voted yay.

  • Aida replied 7 years ago

    Ah, I wasn't expecting such an even split opinion on these! After wearing them a bit more, I must update my description of them. I would not consider these proper slouchy trousers, though certainly dropped crotch sans belt; they are a bit too fitted on the hip and seat (not tight, but definitely fitted) to be properly slouchy, with extra ease in the back thigh and in the entire front but overall they are rather slim. So, kind of selectively slouchy because they do still have that vibe. And fabric feel/crafting is very good.

    I looked at other pants of mine as Jenava suggested, and I think the rise issue is because my pants are generally higher in back than in front and these have the same rise front and back. In addition, Diana's comment got me thinking that one big difference in women's pants is the zip area generally stops well before the actual crotch point, even in slouchy trousers we have extra space below the zip. (Not slouchy but illustrates what I mean) These are button fly, and if they were 3 instead of 4 button I think they'd be perfect.

    To my surprise, hubby deemed them "not that bad" but only "likes" how they look with an untucked fitted top (which obscures much of the front and crotch). I would, of course, like to wear them either tucked or untucked! They are rather pricy for me, though (hubby is a few steps past me quality wise, I still experiment too much) so I really want to make sure I'll wear them. I do wish I'd tried them before Angie's break, I would love to hear what she thinks >< Bah, I have a couple hours left to decide and am still not sure :(

    Una, I think that Rae's silk pants and Angie's slouchy trousers are a bit different, Angie's are slouchy all over, with the trouser material emphasizing that. Rae is curvier so the silk works especially well because the fabric drapes and makes more of flowy slouch. I think you'd be able to wear this style of men's pants better than me, Una. My hourglass-tendency hips and butt are filling out too much of the pants to keep them slouchy. They're actually fitted-with-ease pants on me, much like Rae's silk pants were. I also have less androgyny in my style, which is probably part of my hesitation.

    Suz, those look like great slouchy pants to me! How is the rise on them? Is there extra space at the bottom or does the zip bit go all the way down?

  • Suz replied 7 years ago

    The zip does not go all the way down. There is extra space at the bottom (below the zip). Not a lot; a couple of inches. But the hip fits relatively snug. I can pull them up a bit to my waist, but they don't fall down without a belt. When they sit at my hips it seems like about an inch or inch and half of "dropped" material in the crotch. So I would say they are modified slouch. The roominess is mainly in the thigh and seat. So they are somewhere between Angie's two pairs of pants; the fitted-with-ease look of her "structured trouser" ensemble and the true slouchiness of her other pants.

    ETA: I may not keep; they may be voted as not slouchy enough in the end. I am hoping to get better pics this weekend. But a part of me thinks for my size/ shape this is a good degree of slouch. Not an overwhelming amount, you know?

  • Lisa replied 7 years ago

    I like these but I'd prefer a pair without the extra crotch material. I vote return.

  • Aida replied 7 years ago

    Thanks for the zip info Suz, that's what I thought it might be. Your pair does look properly slouchy to me, since the roominess is everywhere even though it'd not on the crazy slouchy end of the spectrum. I hear you on wanting something a little slimmer so it's not overwhelming, I think that's why my really slouchy Ann Taylor pants only got worn once last season and why this pair's almost-slouchy vibe appeals to me.

  • Aida replied 7 years ago

    OK so I think hubby is right that longer tops are the way to go with these trousers, if I keep them. I put together some quick outfits off the top of my head. I am debating whether it's worth it for me to spend $150 + alterations (waist dart, hem tapering) for pants that I'd pretty much only style untucked with; the rise just feels too high on me when tucked, and the extra fabric when I pull the pants up higher looks worse than when it's low and slouchy. What do you ladies think after seeing some mostly-styled looks? The main stopping points for me are the price (it's high for me, especially for untucked only trousers), the very long rise, and that I don't have a lot of androgyny in my style (but I do love trousers). Selling points are the almost-slouchy fit, the beautiful drape/crafting and that I've been wanting charcoal trousers for a while. At the moment I'm leaning towards keeping, but I've only got another 2 hours or so to decide (4:30pm Pacitfic time) -_-

  • rae replied 7 years ago

    I like them even better with the untucked and half tucked tops. The half tuck mirrors the slouch in a nice way. But then I liked the other series of outfits, too.

  • Marley replied 7 years ago

    OK - I just kind of skimmed through the other responses and can see that you're getting votes for both sides, so I feel for you in trying to make a decision! IMO, the price, plus the fact that you think you'd only wear them with untucked tops, plus the alterations that you'd have to make - lead me to think they should be returned. HowEVER, I do know that feeling when you put something on and it just feels like magic to you - and you're in love and it doesn't matter how irrational it is, you know that item belongs to you - so . . . if you're feeling that way about them - I'd keep!

  • replied 7 years ago

    This might be expensive for you but perhaps it s one step to a wardrobe upgrade? I still love them on you.

  • catgirl replied 7 years ago

    I like this second set too but I feel some of the slouch is deemphasized - so I like the tucked one best because I want to see the slouch!

  • Aida replied 7 years ago

    Well I misread the return policy, so it looks like I have another day or two to mull this over. I hopped over to AS to see if they offer this pant in a women's cut, but no luck there. Still hemming and hawing -_-

    Marley, YES that is just how I feel! It doesn't happen to me often if ever, which is why I'm a bit confused ;)

    Una, I don't mind emphasizing slouch, but the rise on these is just too long for me to wrap my brain around (and I have a long rise to begin with!). Which is why I'm preferring the longer tops; plus the pants aren't _really_ a proper slouchy pant (I explained it above). It's kind of weird. I think they really are a tailored/fitted pant, that happen to also have a little slouch.

  • Zapotee replied 7 years ago

    Ha, I actually like the tucked outfit the best (#4). I also think that one is marvelous because you took the androgyny and ran with it all the way.
    I definitely have no business providing advice here, tada!
    I'm clearly the outlier today, for most of all the posts I have commented on ... sigh....

  • Jenava replied 7 years ago

    I think there are just too many exceptions! BUT, I think this should be a sign that you need to hunt for the perfect pair of menswear charcoal dress pants! On, oh, say Dec 1 at the YLF Seattle meetup??

    ETA - just read your response to Marley. FWIW, I still love them and think you could also wear them with tucked tops. I kind of like the slouch crotch...makes it seems more girl wearing men's pants to me, which I think is cool.

  • Aida replied 7 years ago

    Hah Zap! When I did that tucked look I thought, "Wow this doesn't feel like me but I know that it looks fine". Though I did feel better once I added the 4" pumps ;) Perhaps I need to adjust my brain!

    Jenava, I have been starting to think that too! And then I think, but what if these are really "my pair", especially because I love that they're a little different? *sigh*

  • cciele replied 7 years ago

    Well, I still really like them on you too, both tucked and untucked. Totally into the girls wearing boys pants thing :)

  • Transcona Shannon replied 7 years ago

    Yep. Still love them. To be completely honest, I like them best tucked but they also look great untucked.

  • Mamapicklejuice replied 7 years ago

    I am surprised by all the yay votes! I think you would look divine in Angie-style slouchy trousers, but these are not they! (Which, skimming through the thread, is an agreed upon point.)

    They just don't seem special/transforming enough to justify the (major?) alterations needed to fix the unfortunate crotch issue. Maybe I skimmed too fast, and missed the magic of these pants. :)

  • cheryl replied 7 years ago

    I am not a huge fan of slouchy pants in general but I think these look really great on you. I like the tucked look better but untucked looks really good too. They are pricey though so you might want to find some that are even more perfect for you if you plan on spending that much. They do look great on you!

  • Angie replied 7 years ago

    I vote return these in this size, Aida. They look best with a tucked in top and your hands in your pockets - which completey adjusts the fit. Case in point. They are just not intentionally slouchy. Off on the hip, bottom and thigh.

    I would try these a size up. That could be the answer. A roomier fit all round.

    *back on official arm resting leave*

  • Aida replied 7 years ago

    Oh! Thanks SO much for the feedback Angie, I really appreciate it! I am looking at these as dropped-crotch tailored trousers, not slouchy since as you said they really aren't. But maybe that isn't too fab for me, or maybe that's just not a thing (dunno why I feel like it's going to be)? Wish I could figure out the appeal to me (perhaps it really just is the step up in quality). They are no longer available, so a size up isn't an option unfortunately...

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